The Schism Of The Fans…Facebook.

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I am sure you are all aware of the debates, arguments, threats and all sorts of such on social media between factions of Star Wars fans. There has always been a dispute between the prequel trilogy supporters and the original trilogy fans. But when the expanded universe was decreed non canon on the 26th of April, 2014, the many fans of the expanded universe went into an uproar. The next following months were when the faction of fans who support the Disney canon was born. And when the two factions met… well… it didn’t go so well. But I would say it really started to turn ugly when the first trailer for TFA was released. I confess, even I was involved.

And that’s really when it started. The fighting began and all hell broke loose. The original trilogy fans backed the Disney supporters, the prequel trilogy bashing the expanded universe but bashing the OT fans as well, and the lone faction of the expanded universe fought all of them. Now I would like to tell you I was not a part of this, and that I did not take a side, but in truth, I sided with the expanded universe fans and really defended the books and games that I had bought, and continued to single out all the errors of the upcoming film.

Really, it was hell. But the build up increased right up until the movie was released. Then all hell broke loose. The EU faction went to town on picking all the bad things of the new installment, the Disney supporters grew stronger and started some hate pages, and the prequel trilogy supporters were shattered; some loving the new stuff, others hating what they tried to support.

I was very outraged with the new movie, constantly ranting about it on Facebook. When I started to let my fumes cool down after being so mad at what they had done to the series, I decided that enough was enough. I personally went to many of the social media pages, pleading with them to come to peace with one another. Some listened and became more diplomatic, where others continued to bash the other factions and get worse.

A lot more happened, including a conversation with one of the new canon writers and many of the EU supporters who harassed him on Twitter. I personally stepped in and tried to make peace between the fans and the poor lad. I had also asked him if he would be so kind to show his support for helping us continue our beloved expanded universe. Funny enough, next day he wrote an open letter to the EU faction, saying he wished us good luck for continuing the expanded universe. Who knew somebody like me could make that difference?

But in the end, I have a question for all of you. For the PT fans, the OT fans, the EU supporters and the DT legion: why is it that something we love so much has brother divided against brother? Friend against friend? Parent against child? Is Star Wars not a great piece of art that has brought about marriages, life changing moments, great childhoods, and baby names? How is it something that was supposed to bring us together has divided us and tears us apart? Even in my home, my sister and I constantly fight about the EU and the DT. My older friend constantly argues with me over Facebook about how the DT is “so much better than the horrible prequels and the dusty books”. Why must we fight? We all love Star Wars and we make it very clear to everyone that we are proud of who we are, so why do we end friendships over what part of Star Wars was better? In my eyes, I will always love the prequels, Jar Jar and Anakin; I will always love the original trilogy, Vader and the Death Star. I certainly most love the video games such as Force Unleashed and SWTOR, and the books such as Darth Plagueis, Heir to the Empire, The Emperor’s Plague, Lost Tribe of the Sith and many more. And I’m sure over time I can warm up to the new trilogy.

We have no need to fight. We all love Star Wars, we all love the Jedi and Sith, the lightsaber fights, the Force, the romance, and the space battles. I say we have Darth Maul face off with Kylo Ren, or have Darth Malgus up against Vader. I long to see that day, and with your help, we can end the Great Schism of the fans.

Take Care all and May the Force be with You…

Writer: Ciaran Shuart

Editor: Krystee Anidem

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11 thoughts on “The Schism Of The Fans…Facebook.

  1. The biggest difference for me was the build-up and pay off to both the prequel trilogy and the new Star Wars films. I won’t speak to the EU because for me Star Wars was always about the films, not so much the novels or games.
    The prequels were pretty much a universal disappointment. They were for the most part terrible. Please don’t try to argue this point, don’t use the “art is subjective” argument because there are very basic rules to movie making, even bad movies follow basic rules and Lucas shit the bed on even the most fundamental rules of film making.
    I think many of us have wanted more of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie ever since the end credits of RotJ started scrolling all those years ago. We knew the story of Anakin Skywalker’s descent into darkness because we were told in the OT. I don’t think any of us really wanted or cared if it was told on screen, the mystery to me was way cooler.
    TFA is a great film. There is no arguing this. Even the EU fanboys are desperately nitpicking to find flaws with it because they know deep down in their cold, bitter little hearts TFA is superior to TPM in every conceivable way. They may have re-used some themes but so what? They pulled it off.
    Unlike the prequel disaster, the new series was worth the wait.

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    • Bobby, we can argue about this on Facebook. We have restarted the same argument over and over again, and we get nowhere. We are both too stubborn to give in and all you really ever try to do with me is push my buttons. Why would you care about what I think unless you are denying something to yourself? You will have no counterpoint for this, I guarantee this. So instead of desperately trying to harass me all over social media about something you can’t win, why don’t you write a new novel or something? Hell, they hire anyone to write for the new canon so go ahead and do that, but I implore you; leave me be.

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  2. It’s funny how two people back-to-back wrote about the divide among fans…actually, it’s kinda sad, not funny, but, anyway, I’ll reiterate what I said in the other post, I think think people should specify when they mean “Legends” and not just say “EU.” Technically, “EU” refers to all non-film content, canon or not. Legends is the “old canon,” the rest is the “new canon,” but it’s all “Expanded Universe” because it “expands” what we know about the “universe” beyond the core elements of the story, i.e. the films.

    To your point, I’ll say this: anyone who likes any part of Star Wars is a fan. Even if you only like ESB, you’re still a fan. Even if you dislike the movies, but enjoy The New Jedi Order, you’re a fan. If you’re a fanboy like me and find things you like in all (yes, ALL) Star Wars content, you’re a fan. The problem with all fandoms these days, not just Star Wars, is this weird notion that the way you decide to be a fan is the right way and anything other than your way is the wrong way. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying people shouldn’t debate their way vs. another, but in a civil, understanding way that lacks the vitriol and utter disdain that seems to exist currently. Take the first commenter here: he clearly dislikes the prequels. And that’s okay. You be you, hate on, etc. It’s irksome that his logic deems my opinion that the prequels weren’t “a universal disappointment” invalid because of some “very basic rules to movie making” that he then never states, but, regardless, he can keep his opinion that my opinion doesn’t matter because, in my opinion, my opinion is the only one that really matters to me (weird sentence, I know, read it slowly).

    So, long story short, I don’t understand why fans can’t agree to disagree and move on. There is no “right” way to be a fan, but there’s a wrong way to be a decent person and attacking people because they don’t share your opinions about a fictional universe definitely puts you on the low side of the decent person scale. And if you don’t buy what I’m selling, just think of what Obi-wan said: “you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

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    • My point in this article was to say just this. I enjoy the EU, OT, and PT. but the arguing is absolute nonsense and not needed. Everyone has their own views, and can stay that way. Thank you for this comment.

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  3. I am a huge fan of the stories of George Lucas. I think he is one of the best if not the best storyteller of our time. Needless to say, I was incredibly disappointed with The Force Awakens, given that it took the place of stories by George Lucas, which we will now never see. The Force Awakens will forever represent a gigantic middle finger to the greatest of our time, and that includes the prequels, which gave much more context to the OT, enhancing the depth and emotional impact of the overall story, and were great films in their own right.

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    • And that is awesome. I agree with your points and see it a similar way you do. But my point here was to say that arguing with people who have their own views and harassing them over social media is absolute unneeded shenanigans and really needs to cease, because in the end: we all love Star Wars, just different parts of it.

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  4. Actually, Chuck Wendig was called out for his writing style. But he didn’t respond properly: he accused the critics of homophobia and said there were organized raids made by EU fans on Amazon. But many of the bad ratings were verified purchases. And Aftermath was criticized for the writing style, not the LGBT characters.

    And the Original Expanded Universe was discarded for an episode IV rehash. Moreover, in the next movie, the main character is named Jyn Erso. It sounds like Jan Ors, Kyle Katarn’ fellow and love interest. In Dark Forces, Kyle Katarn stole a folder of plans about the Death Star. But LucasArts won’t be credited for that. So it’s basically a rip-off.

    Then, as long as most of the EU fans don’t feel respected by Lucasfilms, that civil war will continue. It can be stopped by a single decision: to continue Legends as a parallel timeline.

    Star Trek, Walking Dead and many other franchises got parallel timelines. Why not Star Wars? The only reason to not doing it is ego, and wanting to erase a part of the pre-disney Era to reshape the franchise to Disney’s views.

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    • I agree that they should continue the legends, but until then, let us just keep going on and pleading for the continuation of legends

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  5. Let’s backtrack how all of this went down before all hell broke loose to get a sense where everything is at now. Prior to 2012, the future of Star Wars was promising. Star Wars: The Clone Wars was going into a highly anticipated sixth season coming off of the gut-wrenching end to season five with Ahsoka leaving the Jedi Order. LucasArts was on track to release Star Wars:1313, a gritty game about the underworld of the Star Wars universe that had already whetted fans appetites with pre-game footage with something that we have never gotten in a Star Wars game. An adventure where someone wasn’t a Jedi or force-user and wasn’t primarily focused on tell a story about them. Del Rey was in the process of publishing several stories such as Sword Of The Jedi trilogy by Christie Golden which would have continued the events post-Fate Of The Jedi with the focus being on fan favorite character Jaina Solo. Dark Horse was also in the process of releasing several more comics in a variety of different eras to further expanded the Star Wars universe in more ways than had been previously seen.

    Then on October 30th, 2012 Disney acquired the rights to Star Wars from George Lucas for a whopping total of $4 billion dollars. Naturally, Star Wars fans were mixed in how they were going to respond. Disney, a company known for selling products primarily aimed at younger viewers was now in the possession of one of the greatest film and entertainment franchises in history. For awhile moot was the word, things were certainly playing out in the background as the change in power was made as George Lucas stepped down as the head of Lucasfilm in favor of Kathleen Kennedy. But then the news started to come hot and fast from Lucasfilm on the recent developments regarding the Star Wars franchise. The sixth season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars was to be canceled then later released on Netflix with several unfinished story arcs released online as rough unfinished animatics or in novels. Star Wars: 1313 along with all LucasArt projects were put on indefinite hold in March of 2013 then a month later it was announced that Star Wars:1313 was cancelled as LucasArt’s was gutted with only a few remaining staffers to remained employed mostly to continue to run things for Disney as they signed over the exclusive rights to make Star Wars games to Electronic Arts who in 2013 the same year LucasArts was gutted was voted the worst company in America.

    In 2014, then came the decision that led to the current schism between Star Wars fans. On April 25th, 2014, the Star Wars: Expanded Universe which had existed since 1978 when Splinter In The Mind’s Eye by Alan Dean Foster and had spawned countless beloved Star Wars characters such as Mara Jade Skywalker, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Kyle, Katarn, Darth Revan, etc., and in which the only format by which Star Wars fans could still enjoy the Star Wars universe for a period of sixteen years between the release of the last Star Wars original trilogy film Return Of The Jedi in 1983 to the release of the first of the Prequel films, The Phantom Menace in 1999. All of these stories were now labeled non-canon meaning that they never happened and that characters like Mara Jade and all the aforementioned characters above ceased to exist in the Star Wars universe. The outcry the arose from the Expanded Universe fan community was natural. They saw all they had enjoyed and for many years had been validated by individuals within Lucasfilm as the official Star Wars canon suddenly invalidated in one swift stroke. While some welcomed the move as necessary as the institutionalized myth that the Star Wars: Expanded Universe had become too bloated and unwieldy with too many inconsistencies for people to make sense of and damn near impossible for newcomers to penetrate the levels of canon. Instead what was being done was that everything would become more streamlined. A seamless canon timeline, easy to navigate and the events contained within the new canon sources were just as valid as those depicted in the films.

    While this decision was stated as being so, “In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded.” The truth that was lost among the chorus of cheers at the announcements of new movies, television shows, books, and comics that would in the words of Lucasfilm, “We’re set to bring Star Wars back to the big screen, and continue the adventure through games, books, comics, and new formats that are just emerging. This future of interconnected storytelling will allow fans to explore this galaxy in deeper ways than ever before,” was that this is something Star Wars fans already enjoyed prior to 2012.

    The Expanded Universe as I stated before had existed since 1978. Countless of stories from video games and novels to television series had explored the Star Wars universe in ways that had grown organically from the original trilogy source material and incorporated many of the new elements that were told with the release of the Prequel trilogy. Nowhere in the minds of the Expanded Universe fans was there a boundary demarcating the threshold between the films and the Expanded Universe. All were one whole, undivided universe. The Expanded Universe provided explanations to things that Star Wars fans whether casual or hardcore could find explanations to, such as the origins of the Jedi and Sith conflict. Ultimately the Star Wars: Expanded Universe provided the necessary connective tissue for the films that large scale science fiction/fantasy franchises need in order to make the universe and the stories therein feel grounded. Now all of that was gone.

    In its absence came the soulless cash grab new canon material. Comics that felt more like reading superhero comics than ones based in the Star Wars universe, a safe sterile adventure told week to week in Star Wars: Rebels where the central heroes always seem to overcome whatever obstacles get in their way despite outsmarting supposedly competent Imperial officials whether Tarkin or even the big guy in black himself. Perhaps the biggest letdown of all was to see this supposed creative freedom being channeled into a movie that blatantly ripped off the very material that Expanded Universe fans had just been told was non-canon. Star Wars: The Force Awakens success has more to do with the fact that this film had been championed as the one that would finally make Star Wars fun to watch again after the Prequel trilogy had disappointed so many and left them with a lingering bad taste in their collective minds. Saving Grace Syndrome as I saw it was built into the movie, and Disney sold the nostalgia factor hard in this film. In the end what Expanded Universe fans got out of it was a stale hour and thirty-six minute homage to the first Star Wars film that had elements of the Expanded Universe tossed in for sake of calling it an original story.

    Overall Expanded Universe fans felt betrayed and rightly so. For decades they had been told as was the official line from Lucasfilm, that the Expanded Universe was the official canon of Star Wars. That fact wasn’t even up for debate as George Lucas himself had contributed to the Expanded Universe in several different projects most notably the development for the story to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed which told the story of Darth Vader’s secret apprentice and the formation of the Rebel Alliance. In the end this was all done away with in order for Disney to tell Lucasfilm what they desired from the Star Wars franchise as they wanted a franchise that appealed to the masses of bandwagon casual fans of Star Wars who only jump on that bandwagon when it is cool to be a Star Wars fan but otherwise don’t have any real interest in it beyond the release of a new film rather than appeal to the hardcore fans who formed the basis for the most loyal and dedicated fans of the entire Star Wars fandom.

    Since then it has been business as usual. Disney is now pumping ot another soulless adventure that piggybacks off of older more established Expanded Universe material while the masses eat it up as being the Star Wars they always wanted or at least until it becomes passe and they move onto something else. Movie going crowds are fickle like that. As for the Star Wars fandom, a civil war had been raging across various websites and message boards as to which canon matters the most. For Expanded Universe fans this isn’t even a point they are willing to concede, the Star Wars: Expanded Universe is the official canon of Star Wars and in many ways it still is the de facto canon as the new canon sources have yet to catch up to explaining the finer details of the Star Wars universe. Given that we have seen other fandoms make their notions on what they want from their beloved franchises known to major companies as is the case with the Star Trek fans whom many have universally voiced they don’t regard the newest JJ. Abram’s Trek films as being a part of their Star Trek canon and that they will be getting a new television series that takes place in the same universe as the rest of the older Star Trek films and tv shows. It is probably safe to say that the Expanded Universe fans will get something like this to happen with Star Wars. Afterall these people are in it for the long haul. Cause Expanded Universe fans live in the Star Wars universe while everyone else just visits when there is a new film to be seen.

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  6. I know someone mentioned this before in a comment above. But if Lucasfilm and Disney want to heal the relationship between themselves and the E.U./Legends fans all they would have to do is finish the Legends timeline. Release Sword of the Jedi and Escape from Dagu and the other stories that were being worked on such as Star Wars Legacy II which wasn’t continued or Dawn of the Jedi. A couple of novels on the time period between Darth Bane trilogy and Plagueis. Have a Darth Zannah/Cognus trilogy. The Jax Pavan duology that was in the works or a Nomi Sunrider story. Fill in the blanks between Crucible and Legacy I. We never even got a Rahm Kota novel or a novel/comic for the lesser known Sith such as Darth Ruin, Rivan, Desolous, Phobos, or even Xendor and the Legions of Lettow. Finish the Dark Times comic series. That’s all they would have to do. Don’t placate the Legends fanbase with things like Thrawn in Rebels. Legends fans want their stories continued not integrated into the new canon. Better yet have a sit down with the EU fanbase at a convention such as Kathleen, Pablo, and Leland sitting down with Matt Wilkins or some other representative of the Legends fanbase and lay all the cards out on the table and have a diplomatic conversation about this issue because it is and issue and remain one unless something is done. #GiveUsLegends #ContinuationNotIntergration

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